he's not going to win the election with this debate. what he can do is to start setting a whole new narrative for him in this debate. that's what he can expect to accomplish. in the president's case, the president is going to have to deal with the economic numbers, have to deal with the libya issue. >> as a debater how do you rate president obama? >> i think he's very good. i think both of them are playing the game. president obama was saying something the other day, i'm not really a good debater. gee -- >> they're both very, very smart guys. >> if you talk about the top 1%, intellect, these guys are in the top 1%. there's nothing to choose between them on intellect. there's a lot to choose between them on policy. i hope they get into a good discussion of policy because from my point of view i think romney would get the better of that but i'm not sure. we'll see. >> we looked at past debates. some folks seem to get into trouble when they start debating over the debate rules themselves. i want to play a quick montage of stuff. >> i have